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link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

Hi! A quick note: this episode is an obvious metaphor of the voting system proposed by any website on the internet; we "like", "downvote", "upvote" and all of this in realtime. This system affect the content a lot. For our witches, they discover here the power of the "cute witches" effect; a parody of a trend I see growing everywhere on Anime culture nowaday, but also the load of "sexy" content I see in digital-art to get more "like" and "upvote" in general... Denunciating this practice with humor wasn't evident, but it was fun to try. :-) I hope you liked this episode!

link   roboq6   , - Reply

You also have shown the second way this system can be abused, "give her the green thumb anyway, she is our friend after all". The same logic can be applied to relatives and loyal fans, they can vote "Like" no matter how bad the performance was.

link   Filer   , - Reply

sadly the truth about voting and also why democracy in our today's form sucks...

the artwork is very nice smooth, I like it. Got here through your linked blog on CDN stuff. Good job on that one too.

link   Gin Sheng   , - Reply

Yup. That's the problem when majorities rules... and their judgment isn't quite just.

Welcome back to business, David.

Best Regards.

link   Gordon   , - Reply

Good to see you back in art world David. I was waiting for it, more money goes your way :)

link   Flamma   , - Reply

How do I vote for this episode?

link   Lucas Gelves   , - Reply

Buen trabajo, es bastante interezante la metafora y muy graciosa XD

link   Luch4   , - Reply

No mature content, they said...

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

I promise no mature, no sex, no violence. With this episode, I don't think I'm even borderline to my rules; but I 'm not planning to go further into this direction. I also understand that this perception/standard/degree can vary from one culture to another.

link   Valvin   Contributor , - Reply

Congratulations for this new episode !
10 amazing pages ! :)

link   Sergey Parvatkin   , - Reply

Dear David,

sometimes I catch up with your great work in Russian translation on one of the imageboards. And being a geek convention organizer in my country I was deeply touched by this episode. We are hosting cosplay contests with more than 200 participants with thousands of spectators. And a lot of people are asking "why do you only have a jury, but never provide audience with a direct possibility to vote for their favorite contestants?". Now I don't even need to preform long explanations - from now one I'll just share a link to this episode! xD

So I guess this "voting habit" doesn't extend only to digital art but is applicable to almost any "competitive" thingy where people can vote for their friends or excessive sexualization is present.

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

Thank you for your comment Sergey,
Oh yes Cosplay. I can easily imagine how it can quickly go out of control. :)

link   Santiago G.   , - Reply

Very nice David!!, This episode made a bus travel really fun :)
This describes perfectly how voting gauntlets works on a game I like XD!!!

link   Skarfester   , - Reply

The World Today.

link   Nina   , - Reply

Good commentary on the prevalence of sexy / cute female characters on anime culture. It's like there's so much of them these days we're literally dying of cuteness overload. It also pointed out how the voting system in the magic contest made the witches change their character from strong, powerful, and awesome to fluffy and cute.

I'm glad Pepper is part of the jury, not one of the competitors. Pepper acting as cutesy as Saffron would have been so out of character for her.

I like the way this story reveals another side of Saffron that we normally don't see. Still, I hope to see Saffron use her amazing fire powers in a future episode.

Glad to know you're back, David.

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

Thank you Nina,
Yes, it was mandatory for this story to have Pepper excluded from the participant. I wish I was able to add more reaction shot at the end ( mainly the one of Shichimi and Coriander) but I had to cut to keep my final twist more unexpected.

link   igor giuseppe   , - Reply

yay finnaly the new chapter.
hahaha fanservice! xDD
i didnt expect to see this on pepper and carrot (you know, family friend and stuff)
but, how can i say that... 10/10 xDD

i thought they wuld be blind and thus temporaly unable to see the others presentation (so maybe some of then get less votes than deserve).

BTW: how the hell they can see an 2D score number at any agle? magic xD ?

link   Kätzchen   , - Reply

Congratulations to that good comic.

I like the frame, where pepper and carrot are fighting for the remote in the background. It made me laugh.

link   Astrokiwi   , - Reply

Hey David!

First of all, amazing job - as always! I love this episode, it's nice of you to denounce such a bad thing as upvotes and downvotes, and how the "sexy" stuff increases them. Congrats also to those which support you (the team of patrons and translators mainly).

About translations, I've just noticed some little mistakes in the italian version (nothing so serious, just typos I guess): in the 4th panel is written "si" instead of the correct form "sì", and "ninete" in the 6th one instead of the correct form "niente". In the 27th panel should be more correct to write "dopotutto" instead of "dopo tutto" (http://comesiscrive.it/dubbi/dopotutto-o-dopo-tutto/), but it is correct anyway, just a subtlety :)

Last but not least, in panel 31st is written "magnificol" instead of the correct form "magnifico".

Anyway, the result is amazing. I really admire the great job of your translation team, they are nice guys! Keep it up! :)

link   Valvin   Contributor , - Reply

@Astrokiwi : i've just reported on github your feedback on italian translation : https://github.com/Deevad/peppercarrot_ … /issues/14

link   CGand   Translator , - Reply

Thanks Astrokiwi. Fixed. Sorry too much typos this time, we will do better next time :-)

link   Astrokiwi   , - Reply

No prob, and thank to you guys for everything. I'm just glad I could help :)

link   CandyFace   , - Reply

Amazing as always! and with a social opposition no less :P I fully support it. The social voting system is broken, especially when it comes to user generated content and its cute and sexy factor in art.

link   G. A.   , - Reply

Amazing work as always. The ending was hilarious and imaginative. I'm looking forward to the next episode. :)

link   Expelliarmus1   , - Reply

Haha! Look at the guy sitting next to Pepper after Saffron burns her clothes. He's drooling!

link   Applewitch   , - Reply

I don't know much about judging, but it looks like Saffron's performance was...
Pretty hot.
YEEEEEAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

link   ComputingFroggy   , - Reply

A shame, you don't write down the software used for your work, as you did in the first episodes.

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

It's right under the end of the episode.

link   nartance   Contributor , - Reply

Maybe I should comment on the website for once!

CONGRATULATIONS! Amazing work ^_^ Good job ;)

(I have imagined a little sequel for poor Shichimi here :p ( en : http://nartance.deviantart.com/art/Pepp … -684248650, fr : http://nartance.deviantart.com/art/Pepp … -684249024 )

link   Oskqq   , - Reply

I introduced my 10yo sis to this comic some time ago, I had a bit trouble explaining this obvious joke now :x

link   Larry   , - Reply

Excelente comic, es muy gracioso.

link   James Aldrick   , - Reply

I LOVE THIS COMIC!!!

link   tmsky   , - Reply

many thanks - Amazing work as always

link   Victor Cavalcanti   , - Reply

I don't think I've said this before, but I do REALLY love the design of Komona. It works beautifully with the setting and the mood and the characters!

Also, thank you for this chapter! It was awesome (and the critic about the voting system on dozens of websites was spot on).

link   tofei   , - Reply

Sad but true...sex sells!

link   Alpha   , - Reply

Am I the only person here who feels totally disappointed by this chapter? David, I thought so much better of you, your attitude towards women and this comic. That's offensive for me and to every women to see you impicturing these kind, talented witch girls all of sudden stupid and greedy enough to turn themselves into flirty dolls with piquant smiles just like that. «Come ooon, girls, we don't want you smart and skillfull, we wanna drool on you, the sexiest will win, so get undressed!» — that's the message, and it's gross.
Until this chapter «Pepper & Carrot» was a wonderful, open-minded and heart-warming story, full of witty, characterful girls and women, a rare gem among tons of sexist, cliched, man-oriented and often misogynistic comics for so long. And here we are. I honestly didn't expect this from you, and this saddens me utterly.

link   SethRichard   , - Reply

While I'm not David of course, I still feel like I should respond to this. I can see where you're coming from, but I believe that David's intentions weren't akin to your perspective on this chapter. I can't read David's mind, but I believe he wanted to shed a new light on this scenario—to sort of parody and criticize the fan-service (glorifying bodily appeal in women) aspect of art and media we see today. We can even see Pepper face-palming in shame as her friend, Saffron, gladly poses half-nude solely for attention. We are not meant to root for Saffron, but to identify with Pepper's show of disapproval, but I can see where misunderstandings may arise. David's comment above even says:

"For our witches, they discover here the power of the "cute witches" effect; a parody of a trend I see growing everywhere on Anime culture nowaday, but also the load of "sexy" content I see in digital-art to get more "like" and "upvote" in general... Denunciating this practice with humor wasn't evident, but it was fun to try."

David seems to be, as he put it, in favor of the denunciation of sexualizing women. Not to sound bossy, but I say you should try to overlook this chapter if you can't perceive the same message David intended.

Besides, the whole body-flaunting thing rather suits Saffron's character, so I found it funny.

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

Hi Alpha,
That's hurt to get this type of feedback on my episode ... Really.
Be sure I featured in this episode this behavior as a device to denunciate it ( as SethRichard already replied in details, thank you SethRichard ).

link   ignos   , - Reply

Do not worry and like in your story - do what you want, not what the crowd demands. You can not get on with all people unless you are a shapeshifter. Alpha also could be a sophisticated troll like the one in the avatar issue under CDN article.

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

Thank you Ignos!

link   SethRichard   , - Reply

I know this comment is somewhat late, but I had to say it. After re-reading the whole series up-to-date again, I must say the first aspect about Pepper and Carrot that comes to mind: Attention to detail. My goodness.

Throughout every episode, I love to scan every inch and corner of the panels because it's always chock-full of detail. Whether it's tiny bugs or scribbled potion labels or background characters, there's always something small to be found that can be just as pretty and captivating as the big pictures. My reason for saying this is that I saw background characters in this episode I recognized all the way back from the earlier episodes. After re-reading, I saw the blonde elf lady, the dog-person with droopy ears, and the penguin with the helmet all from episode 3 return to this episode. Probably others I missed as well! Amazing little details :)

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

Thank you for noticing all this details, I put a lot of passion on it :-)

link   roboq6   , - Reply

The score of Shichimi is too high, IMHO. On the last panel, we see as many likes can one person get (19863). Probably it's not the maximum, but it's way closer than previous scores to the maximum.

But the same should be true for dislikes, potentially one performer can get 19863 dislikes. Now compare it with the reaction of the crowd and the actual score (-42). It's very high compared to how bad the performance was (I think very few people would like to be suddenly blinded with flash. And I doubt that many people were wearing sunglasses) and how many dislikes one performer can get.

link   SethRichard   , - Reply

You almost sound like you wanted poor Shichimi to get 19863 dislikes! She tried her best, at least =PA

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

That's a good point roboq6, and you'll be probably not surprise to know we had discussions about it with the French correctors Valvin and Nartance when I posted the first pencil artwork with it ; we finally set it to not a huge pack of dislike, because a part of the public still recognize her spell as something powerful and impressive. Also, many in public are affraid of Ah magic --the magic of Shichimi-- (a detail for later, in background story ) and probably prefered to upvote or didn't vote for her. That's how we ended choosing between "0" ( but it was too confusing) , "2" (because it's funny in French RPG when someone score "2" , it really mean a bad score ) or playing with a classic number. I decided to choose -42 . A cameo to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitch … the_Galaxy . But sure, it's not a 100% perfect solution.

link   roboq6   , - Reply

Thank you for your reply!

And by the way, here you showed the third way the system can be abused: people can be afraid to give dislikes or NOT to give likes. Like in some pseudo-democratic dictatorships where you can get in trouble if you vote in "wrong" way or where the regime, in general, will become more repressive if NOT enough people voted for the dictator.

link   Duffy P. Weber   , - Reply

Huge props to the Mayor for the "please, a little decorum!" line. He was fun to voice for Morevna, and I'm glad he's a rather upstanding sort of guy. XD

Gorgeous comics, as always! ^_^

link   David Revoy   Author , - Reply

Hey! Amazing performance on the Motion-Comic! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTb1_w8hvqY ) Thank you for giving your voice and acting to the Mayor. It was really professional.

link   Duffy P. Weber   , - Reply

Thanks so much! I really enjoyed it, and it was indeed an honor. It's always a pleasure to be a part of something so awesome. If you guys do another one, give me a shout any time! ^_^

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